Gruler Nation Podcast

Episode #66: Power Couple, Jocelyn& Aaron Freeman

November 01, 2019
Gruler Nation Podcast
Episode #66: Power Couple, Jocelyn& Aaron Freeman
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Gruler Nation Podcast
Episode #66: Power Couple, Jocelyn& Aaron Freeman
Nov 01, 2019
Robert F. Gruler Jr., Esq.

Jocelyn and Aaron Freeman are the authors of The New Power Couple, speakers, and sought after relationship coaches. They founded and launched the Empowered Couples University; an online university hosting higher education & personal development for motivated couples to learn the relationship skills to be a true team. They are passionate about training and leading future relationship coaches and have an accredited coaching certification program. 
 

Jocelyn and Aaron are passionate about relationship coaching because they truly believe being in a committed relationship is the greatest opportunity for fulfillment and personal growth in life. Jocelyn & Aaron Freeman are ordained, writing their second book and their vision is to make 'relationship development' the new 'personal development' and to lower the divorce rate in their lifetime.  

 

Jocelyn and Aaron are currently giving their book away for FREE so snag your copy here: https://www.meetthefreemans.com/ Also, connect with them on Facebook at  

https://www.facebook.com/MeetTheFreemansAuthors/ or on Instagram @meet_thefreemans 

 

Their next couples workshop is coming up on November 3rd in Chandler, AZ from 11:30- 5pm so make sure to sign up today, there are only a few spots left! https://www.meetthefreemans.com/couples-workshop   

 

Please Like, Subscribe, and Comment below! 

 

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The Gruler Nation Podcast is a show that focuses on conversations with interesting "Level 10" people passionate about changing the world with their work, relationships and ideas. The show is hosted by Robert Gruler, an attorney and founding partner of the R&R Law Group, a criminal defense law firm based in Scottsdale, Arizona focused on helping good people charged with crimes move forward with their lives.   

 

Interested in being on the show or have a guest recommendation? Email Robert directly at robert@rrlawaz.com or visit www.robgruler.com for more information.  

Show Notes Transcript

Jocelyn and Aaron Freeman are the authors of The New Power Couple, speakers, and sought after relationship coaches. They founded and launched the Empowered Couples University; an online university hosting higher education & personal development for motivated couples to learn the relationship skills to be a true team. They are passionate about training and leading future relationship coaches and have an accredited coaching certification program. 
 

Jocelyn and Aaron are passionate about relationship coaching because they truly believe being in a committed relationship is the greatest opportunity for fulfillment and personal growth in life. Jocelyn & Aaron Freeman are ordained, writing their second book and their vision is to make 'relationship development' the new 'personal development' and to lower the divorce rate in their lifetime.  

 

Jocelyn and Aaron are currently giving their book away for FREE so snag your copy here: https://www.meetthefreemans.com/ Also, connect with them on Facebook at  

https://www.facebook.com/MeetTheFreemansAuthors/ or on Instagram @meet_thefreemans 

 

Their next couples workshop is coming up on November 3rd in Chandler, AZ from 11:30- 5pm so make sure to sign up today, there are only a few spots left! https://www.meetthefreemans.com/couples-workshop   

 

Please Like, Subscribe, and Comment below! 

 

#TheFreemans #NewPowerCouple #relationshipcoaches #EmpoweredCouplesUniversity #committed #relationship #partner #couples #dating #marriage #divorce #personaldevelopment #relationshipdevelopment #attention #energy #arizona #growth #success #podcast #InspirationwithGrulerNation #inspire #gruler #inspiration #GrulerNation #GrulerNationPodcast #gnp #arizonapodcast #scottsdale #yesphx #phx  

 

The Gruler Nation Podcast is a show that focuses on conversations with interesting "Level 10" people passionate about changing the world with their work, relationships and ideas. The show is hosted by Robert Gruler, an attorney and founding partner of the R&R Law Group, a criminal defense law firm based in Scottsdale, Arizona focused on helping good people charged with crimes move forward with their lives.   

 

Interested in being on the show or have a guest recommendation? Email Robert directly at robert@rrlawaz.com or visit www.robgruler.com for more information.  

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Speaker 1:
0:01
This is episode 66 of the ruler nation podcast. My name is Robert ruler joined today by the Freemans. Let's break it down. Who the Freemans are. We've got Aaron Freeman and Joscelyn Freeman. Let me tell the audience a little bit about what you guys do because it's a lot. It's impressive. You two are the authors of the new power couple holding that book up here. If you're watching the video, we'll talk more about that.
Speaker 2:
0:24
You both are speakers, you're relationship coaches. You founded it in, launched empowered couples university, which is an online university hosting for higher education, personal development, 40 under 40 influencers. You were named nominated for that in Arizona. You have one of the top relationship podcast on iTunes. You've shared the stage with Tony Robbins and other golden gavel hall of fame speakers. You're working on your second book and you've got a mission out there to make relationship development. The new personal development in lower the divorce rate across the country and across the world, which is a lot. You guys are doing a lot and when we're talking about power couples, your sort of the definition of that, I mean you guys have a really tackled a lot of different things and a number of different areas. And I want to thank you both for being here.
Speaker 3:
1:11
Oh, thank you for having [inaudible]. So let's start at kind of the top, I mean
Speaker 2:
1:15
I, before we talk about all the amazing things that you guys are doing, I want to know how you got together. Give me the origin story.
Speaker 3:
1:23
Well, we met at a gym all where we've met a lot of people at the gym. Yeah. At the same gym. Yeah,
Speaker 4:
1:29
no, this at the time was LA fitness. Good old. This isn't for the village times. Yeah. And yeah, we've met at the gym and I actually was in a time where I was, I knew what I really wanted in a partner. I finally got to a place where I was actually confident about myself. I didn't need a relationship for affirmation and attention. And so I knew what I wanted. I wasn't going to settle
Speaker 3:
1:50
and I was just like showing up that week. Well I was in a really good ener energy space so I was going on like a day, a week, a day, a day, a day. Wow. I wasn't normally a data [inaudible] now she had two days scheduled that day, but I was
Speaker 4:
2:06
not normally a day. It was like this two week blitz of dating because I was just, I was, you know when you're feeling good you attract energy Tio. And that's where I was at. And so I did have another date scheduled that night after we had brunch, but I actually called and canceled it and I was honest, you know what? I got to say something quickly about dating. I was not going to be the type of person that ghosted people. Yeah. So even when I met someone and it wasn't a fit or like once I met him and I was canceling that date at night, I would tell them like either I'd call them or I'd send like a long text if we were more texters and phone people and just say, Hey, I just got to be really honest with you. You're awesome. I just don't think we're aligned. I don't think we maybe are on the same path then, but I do want you to know like you're incredible and you're a great friend and I didn't do the whole like, Oh, I'm busy and slowly pull away and rip it off the bandaid. And every single one them said, thanks for being honest. Like most women would just, you know, just disappear and
Speaker 5:
3:05
fade right that that long ago we fade where the text messages just kind of start becoming more and more sporadic and then suddenly you're not talking anymore. Someone asks you, your friends say, are you in a relationship? And you're like, I honestly don't know. Yeah, I was, I think, but now I'm not sure,
Speaker 4:
3:21
but tell him so where you were at and how that
Speaker 5:
3:24
I was averaging a girlfriend every decade. Okay. Yeah. Really like that. That's where I was at. Yeah. So, okay, so all right. And you go on a date with Jocelyn, you guys had brunch? Yeah, I actually asked her for her email. So I had this idea that I would always meet someone at a gym that seemed fun. I was in the gym a lot. Yeah. And this time I at least said to myself, what would be an authentic way to approach her that was authentic for me. So I just walked up and I just introduce myself. Hi, my name is Aaron, you know, just really out of the box there and ended up asking her for her email, which I loved. Yeah. Once I discovered that she was, yeah. Nurse, I had a friend that was a nurse and worked at like a similar place.
Speaker 5:
4:09
So I sort of played it off like, Hey, I'm a friend of mine is interested in the path that you have taken. Do you mind connecting? Can I get your email? So now I was kind of waiting for my friend to reach out to her just so I could be like a follow up and then my mind, it was going like way too long. Okay. It was authentic. It wasn't that I wasn't alive in the scheme the game. And I talked to my friend and say, Hey, did you connect with the girl that I had met? And she said, no. I said, well I can't wait any longer. She's like, what are you talking about? So I just had the email and set up that brunch. So for me, with all of my past and getting broken up with while having very few girlfriends as it was, and then upbringing around just kind of like a religious perspective on intimacy, not having sex, I was very timid and very kind of embarrassed by my lack of experience in that area.
Speaker 5:
5:02
Yeah. So we started dating and over like six months, fear came up for me. I tried to break up with her in the first few months. He tried to break up with me and when I look back it, it was primarily that she knew that it was from fear and she was in a place where she was bold enough to say, when I tried to break up with her, that doesn't work for me. Okay. And in the, I'd have to think about it in that moment. It was, I knew that wow, this girl was in it. I wasn't going to get hurt. She had my back and I'd have to be afraid. So within a millisecond, my whole body and being like, that's what it needed to hear. And I just said, Oh, I'm back in. Like I didn't have to think about it. It's just like on subconsciously what I had to hear from myself to get over the fear of all the past that I had.
Speaker 4:
5:49
Well, and what was interesting for me, cause I knew when he called to say I think we should end things, and I knew it was because of fear because when I asked him, well, why, you know, was like, it's getting too serious. Like this just feels like I'm uncomfortable. It wasn't, Hey I don't think we're a good fit and we're just totally different values. And I was, remember I thought about my life and zooming ahead 20 years and just wondering like what if I said something instead of playing games cause what am I old pattern would have been, would be let me play games, he should be chasing after me and you know he shouldn't be trying to break up with me and play a game. And I was like I'm not gonna play these games anymore. I'm gonna tell you straight up this is fear. I want to be with you. I know you want to be with me. And it was empowering. It was awesome.
Speaker 2:
6:32
That is empowering. That's something that you know, a lot of people don't, don't do. I mean I know I don't think people have a lot of, at least maybe the people that that don't work with you guys, you know, it's to go out there and say this is what I want and this is how I think we're going to get it. And to kind of push pass through stuff that maybe society looks at as not, um, as acceptable or is not as normal. But that's interesting because you guys have kind of a mismatch in your experience in dating. So you've got somebody who's doing a ton of dating, a lot of experience, and somebody who's not, who's doing less of it. And how do you just come out and say a little yeah, man. Little, it'd be even exaggeration of the amount that I was doing. It was almost none. Yeah. Which is interesting because you know, you kind of, especially in that first phase, when you first start spending time with somebody, you're, you're kind of feeling each other out, right? You're kind of circling each other saying, is this person normal? Is this, is this, what's going on here? You know, when, when is that evil monster gonna kind of break through? How did you guys, how did you guys deal with that? I mean, how did the relationship progress kind of coming from totally different experience level?
Speaker 4:
7:34
Well, I love what you're saying too, because that's so much of what influences the relationship is people's paths. Yeah. So a lot of people come into a new dating experience and they're like, I hope it won't be like this one and this one and this one. And then I do hope it's more like this one and this one. So already they're not even present to the full person. They're actually filtering them through like, Ooh, that little thing you just did reminds me of my ex and I didn't like that. And,
Speaker 2:
7:59
and Wade, when they did that, this is how it went. So you start to like put together, well, when they act like this, they're probably going to do something that hurts me or yeah, you just start to make these connections from the past person that has nothing to do with the one in front of you.
Speaker 4:
8:13
And I really, I had done a lot of personal development before I met him. So a lot of what I was, I think why I was so ready to be just authentic. Like, here's who I am and I'm not going to play these dating games was because I did that personal development to just clear out that past clutter. You know, I had people cheat on me before I had to clear that out. So I wasn't bringing jealousy into the relationship. I had to clear out kind of some of the toxic ways that we would fight and clear that out so that I could come in and actually see him as a a blank slate. Cause most people aren't. They're walking in like, I'm available, but you're not. You're actually going like, um, I don't like it when you do this and this reminds me of this. And you're basically just felt, yeah, I, like I said, filtering someone through the past and I wasn't doing that, but he, you probably had a little bit more of that.
Speaker 5:
9:00
Well, we'll just remembering based on your question on having different paths. I would say that it was the personal development for ourselves individually that really allowed us to create a relationship that we wanted that was not based on the past. And so I was just thinking of, I just remembered this time where when I was doing a personal development seminar, we were dating and we hadn't yet said that phrase of we're official that we're officially dating now. Where are we spending most of our time together? Absolutely. Where we're taking our affection and intimacy to, you know, progressing. So in her mind, certainly it was official, but the words had to be said. So I was actually going on other dates. Now I know that sounds funny because previous I wasn't going on hardly any, but then there was a time where there was a few, one or two other girls that I was, I went on other dates with.
Speaker 5:
9:52
Now sitting in this personal development seminar, I heard integrity different than I had ever heard it before. And in that moment I realized, you know, even though I didn't say that we're official there, there's something that feels off like it doesn't have integrity for me not to be open about this. So in that moment, during a break on the seminar, I said, you know, I have to tell her that I have been seeing other people and I had to put it out there on the line that she might not accept this and their relationship could be over, but that was going to be a risk I was going to take to be authentic and to be real and to be open. So I remember saying that and saying to her, now I know we hadn't made it official, but this doesn't feel like it's an integrity I want to share with you that had been going on other days and I don't want to do that anymore. I actually do want to be with you. So I had to put it out there and I remember, I know exactly where I was on Scottsdale road getting gas when I miss that to you. And I really didn't know what her response was going to be, but for me it had integrity and it was something that I had to say.
Speaker 2:
10:53
Yeah. And how did that, how did that conversation go from your perspective?
Speaker 4:
10:56
Well again, because I had been doing okay. If it was pre personal development I would have been like, how dare you and you're a jerk and you're just like all the other guys who cheated on me, I would have had all my past junk there. Right. Which is what actually has a lot of people break up isn't even the current relationship. It's all their past baggage that isn't cleared out. So because I had totally reframed and everything, I was actually like just thanks for telling me, you know, like really thank you for being honest and I was able to be like, I understand you want to be open and honest with me and I can now, now that he gave me his promise where together I could just listen for that.
Speaker 2:
11:35
Yeah. Yeah. That's, that's powerful stuff because a lot of people they, they will not work on themselves or they will not make that distinction. They will kind of carry that bag of rocks from relationships, who, or relationship to relationship and it can be very destructive. But, okay, so you guys meet, you get together, you have kind of a heart to heart.
Speaker 5:
11:54
You tell her this is going on and you guys continue to work through it and we fast forward a little bit and now you, you have a blooming relationship. You guys are working together, you're doing all these projects, you're influencing lives. I know you've, you know, you've basically, uh, impacted, you know, I'll half a million people. I mean, you're doing amazing work. And one of the things that is interesting for a lot of people is to look at YouTube and say, is this real? Like, what are these, what are these two people doing right? Is this possible? How can two people be so happy, so in love? So, uh, productive together, working all the time together, building all these projects together, not get sick of each other and not want to run somebody's, you know, out of the house or, or whatever. How, how do you guys, how do you guys do that?
Speaker 5:
12:41
The first thing it makes me think of is we don't, so we have challenges in a way, right? I think that's one of the, the mystiques around a power couple relationship is that there's like no problems. It's just how a couple sees the problem or the challenge. So it can be something that shouldn't be happening, but just how most couples interpret it or it's just something for us to bring us more together. Now I might be mad, I might be defensive, I might be hurt, but we are a we and that's something we always reminded each other of. Most couples getting a problem when it's now I against I, yeah, I'm trying to have my view heard. I don't think yours is right. One of our views of life or the scenario's going to win where the other one loses. You have to come together and see it as, okay, this is happening for us. I may be feeling angry, mad again, defensive, but this must be happening for a reason and the more you get more connected as a couple now from everything being positive, it's, you know, all the things that we just shared, there's a lot of uncomfortable, there's a lot of vulnerability that was there and it only allowed us to be more connected.
Speaker 4:
13:54
Yeah. I'd also add too, just jumping in, people are afraid of challenges because they often didn't have a healthy example of what challenges look like. So they either saw what we hear commonly as well. My dad, when he was mad, he would just kind of Stonewall get quiet and go away for like a day. And then when my mom was upset she would just yell and slam the door and called names. So they're like, well, what does actually a healthy disagreement look like? And so we absolutely have challenges in our relationship and we even say that over a power couple of what we call power couple is in a couple who's just always in a great state, happy butterflies and rainbows. It's actually a couple who's just willing to work through anything together
Speaker 5:
14:36
and willing to stay in the emotion with each other. I think that's one of the biggest.
Speaker 4:
14:40
Absolutely. And so we have challenges, but like Erin said, we don't see this as this shouldn't be happening. We see this as, okay, what are we here to learn? Every single disagreement has an amazing lesson you to grow in personal development. Your relationship will have you grow in personal development.
Speaker 5:
14:55
Yeah. How did you guys acquire the tools to do what you do now? To show other people how to have healthy and fulfilling relationships?
Speaker 4:
15:05
Well, in addition to doing, we did several years of leadership training and coaching training where we're there for literally like three to four nights a week. It was basically in addition to working, we were like getting our PhD in marriage and uh, we became ordained ministers, went through a lot of training, having coaches and then honestly it became doing it. We would coach and coach and coach and talk. I think we talked to couples about relationships more than like anything. Like it's almost every minute of every day we're in conversation about relationships. So we've acquired like people can either approach their profession, like dabbling in it and just sticking to their 40 hours a week and wanting to shut down. This is our life. So we have probably had what most people would do in 15 years had we have condensed into several years of just conversations, research, learnt, surveying, surveying, serving, learning. And I come from a medical background. So I'm, I really love research and study and processes and what actually produces results and we've developed programs that produce results.
Speaker 5:
16:10
Yeah. Yeah. Tell me about your book. So the, the new power couple designing an abundant life in relationship to last forever. So what is this book doing? And you just brought me a copy. I haven't read it yet, but thank you for the coffee. What's the, is this a framework for sort of the principles that you teach or tell me what's going on here. Yeah, it's primarily looking at relationship in a different way. So it's the new power couple because the old idea of power couple was something based on status, power, wealth. And so you tried to model yourself after a power couple. I don't even know who that might be. Like Angelina Jolie and Brad, right? Yeah. Well status power. Right.
Speaker 4:
16:48
And even the Jeff Bezos, Amazon, the one of the wealthiest people and couldn't make his relationship work.
Speaker 5:
16:55
Yeah. If you think money is going to be, what has your marriage stayed together? 137 billion wasn't even a enough. Right. So, so primarily it's, it's taking a idea of a power couple from what people will use to see it as, and just primarily saying that a new power couple is you, it's you pursuing being the best version of yourself and that your relationship is the place for you to do that. And then together you decide what a power couple means to you, whether that's authenticity, communication. Then we break down different areas. You have your health, you have your finances, social life, leisure, sex, spirituality. So a lot of times a couple of see just their relationship, like how's your relationship going? Oh, that's fine, that's good. But you could really break it down into eight core areas and now you have a better look at, well, how are finances? We'll start a satisfaction there. What about our intimacy? What about our social? And when you can break it down into areas, you get a much better look at. Where can we also improve? Or where, where did we think we were on the same page where we w we really weren't.
Speaker 4:
17:59
I have to jump in on that because literally, I won't name names, but on our way in, I got a text message from a friend who if you saw them an Instagram, happiest looking couple with kids on the planet. Yeah, I mean picture perfect could be on the cover of magazine on the verge of divorce. And it was, it was, she's like, I'm shocked because he had no, she, he didn't give any signals at all. He didn't give any signals. She's thought I, I thought we were great. And so a big part of what we talk about in the book and even our principles is doing a check-in because what happens is people get busy, they work hard. Maybe they even have kids. So at nights taking care of the kids, then they're trying to work out. Then it's the weekend, got to go to target, bed, bath and beyond.
Speaker 4:
18:44
Maybe there's a family barbecue, then there's the holidays and it's birthdays and you wake up in five years past. Yeah. And you didn't pause to go, how? How do you feel about our relationship? Like how's our intimacy out? And then all of a sudden one person's shocked that someone's not happy and then people just go, I just want a divorce. So people think divorces that out because they didn't talk about something for years and years. They didn't have the vulnerability and the guts to talk about it and really be able to, we do check-ins and sometimes we, Sarah satisfaction is a little lower in an area, but we have the guts to talk about it. And a lot of people, again, just from fear, don't do those check-in. So the book really talks about just really get in touch with how are you really, and then be intentional, blow intentional about where you want to put your attention to get better in those area.
Speaker 5:
19:33
And then just to round it out. Then the final chapter of the book is creating your vision statement for your relationship. Yeah. I wanted to ask you about that because we were were talking about it and it sounded extremely important to me. Hmm. And you can talk about that. I'll just finish off. Once you get on the same page, once you bring that awareness into your relationship, once you're really communicating, now you have a space to say what do we want to create together? And that's the vision statement. That's your guiding light now forward for all the actions you do individually, everything that your life, your relationship is about is moving towards that purpose, if you will. And that's your vision statement.
Speaker 4:
20:09
Yeah. Well, it's what we found because we created this whole vision statement process that we have copyrighted. And it's something that we're super proud of because we saw businesses and we saw that whether a business was two people, 10 people, a hundred people, a thousand people. If all people in the relationship are in the business, Ari knew what the vision was. They could handle the challenges, they could handle the turbulence and they could also celebrate the successes. And we said, well a couple of the team, yeah, it's to, you know, hopefully people aren't having three or four or five people in the team, but it's two. So we said, why don't couples have a vision? And when we would start to survey people, we would say, do you feel like you have a, a combined vision together? Do you feel like you know where you're headed together? And they're like, no, we're kind of just getting day by day. And in fact we kind of feel like roommates and just kind of feels mundane. And so we create,
Speaker 5:
21:04
and you're kind of surprised like when three, four, five, six years ago by and you're like, well not that much has changed, so you've been going to work, kind of live in the same house. There's nothing wrong with that. But that's the main thing. People have a vision when they're first in a relationship, but it is kind of inherited. Let's get the house, let's get set up with our jobs, let's have the security
Speaker 4:
21:22
and the kids may be a dog.
Speaker 5:
21:24
Yeah, cause dog, I love dogs. But then the thing is that vision was kind of given to them. By society you have to be responsible for creating the next thing. Yeah. And then once you reached that, guess what? Then you create what the next thing is. So it's this ongoing process of always creating and recreating. Not only your life as individual, but your life as a couple and your relation.
Speaker 4:
21:43
One more thing I'll say too, because even people listening who are dating people mostly go, well, what do I want? I want attractive, fun, successful, or at least somewhat successful. You know, funny, smart. We aren't taught that you could find a million people like that. So what actually makes somebody work with you? It's many things, obviously great communication, but having a combined vision, we talk to people, they're like, something's just not vibing in our relationship. But they ha they check off all the things on my checklist. Why is that? And a lot of times it's because you have totally different visions for life. You know, one person is just really wanting, you know, homemaker. They want, you know, just six kids and they want weekends going to target and bed bath and beyond. And the other person's like, I want to reach a million people and I want to be wealthy and I want to be speaking around the world. And their visions are completely different. And that can create tension, disagreement, or even people then think, Oh, I need to sacrifice sacrifices be a sacrifice is happening because you don't have an aligned vision and you don't both know that you're headed in the same direction. Do
Speaker 5:
22:49
you, so you obviously coached people through this process. Are you finding that people have more mismatched visions or is it that some people haven't even thought about a vision? They just haven't, I don't, I don't know. You know, I'm supposed to go kind of do these things. Supposed to have a good job, get married, have kids. But aside from that, I don't know what the hell I'm doing with my life, you know? Or in the world or is it a combination of both? What do you guys, I'll countering. I would say for me much more that it was never thought of to create a vision together. Once you kind of check off the things you have in common. Do we like fitness? So the common things, and Jocelyn here with a phrase that said chemistry is what brings you together, but it's your habits that your habits and your vision that keep you together. Yeah. So when you think about chemistry, it's kind of that initial thing that you're attracted to, that you do have in common. And, but that only gets you so far because then being to individual people, you see the world differently. And when you're in a personal committed relationship, you really can't expect there not to be challenges because you see, you see things differently. So it's really about creating the right habits for the future.
Speaker 4:
23:58
I want to say that I find if people have done any kind of personal development, whether they're reading Tony Robbins books I've had going to seminars, they often find, Oh we're kind of growing apart. Cause that's when they start to dream because that's what had been for me before personal development. It was like I'm going to be a nurse forever. My goal is to get married, have you know, maybe a baby or two and maybe I'll get to travel once a year. That was my dream. Once I started personal development, I was like, Oh my gosh, sky's the limit. And I started to dream again and then I had to find a partner who was aligned with that. So I'd say it, it depends on if they're doing personal development and they're kind of dreaming and thinking bigger, but the people who aren't, a lot of times people aren't asking themselves. Like you said, I don't know what I want. I achieved the job in the, in the wife and that's as much as I want. So I think it kinda depends on are they doing that personal work and the reflection.
Speaker 2:
24:55
Yeah. That's interesting stuff. Yeah, it's not, it's not something that I think a lot of people will put a lot of effort in unless they know that world exists. It's almost like they're, they don't even know about that. It's like, it's, I'm having trouble coming up with an analogy for it, but, but I, but I do think that it is, uh, is extremely valuable. So. All right. Let's jump into a little bit about some of your, your, uh, your tips, your advice for, for some of the things that you do. I know you have some kind of concrete habits. We were talking about the habits, right? The, uh, chemistry will bring you together. The habits will keep you together type of thing. What are some good habits of a successful marriage that, that you to, uh, find most valuable?
Speaker 4:
25:38
Well in addition to like just to reiterate having what we call a weekly family meeting. That's the check-in. It's like a relationship audit. Think about how would a business work if they didn't have a team meeting and say where we at, how are things going, how are you, do we need to talk about anything? We'll couples like we said, hardly ever have that, right. So we recommend and we have a like a download people can do a PDF going into like how do you feel about our intimacy, how do you feel about our communication? What about our social life and do that check in. We think weekly is great. Whether it's over your Sunday morning coffee or it's a Friday night dinner night and it doesn't have to take the whole time. It could be a half hour check-in. So that's absolutely one of them. Habit you want to share.
Speaker 5:
26:16
Yeah, we can talk about the morning intentions and also the one that we've been talking about a lot recently is you have to be able to switch from like work mode to relationship mode. So whatever that looks like. Maybe you're at an office, maybe you work by yourself, or if you're an entrepreneur and you could be working with your spouse. When you get to the end of the Workday, most people will come home and they'll drag some of their frustration, their anxiety. They're overwhelmed from job, from work, from the interactions into the home. So you walk in the door and immediately you just unload on your partner, like all the things that you were frustrated about
Speaker 4:
26:53
and just quiet and disconnected. [inaudible]
Speaker 5:
26:56
so for us, it's a habit of, and you can do this many ways, you could actually sit in your car and listen to music for like three minutes, but you really want to have these transition activities. So you want to be able to transition from work into being connected and being in the home, being present and attentive with your wife, with your kids. So that could look like, again, sitting in a car, listen to music. You could walk around the block, you could take the dog for a walk. You're go to walk with your partner. But something to sort of leave the energy of the day behind so that you can be present and attentive with your [inaudible].
Speaker 4:
27:28
I'd also say in, this is kind of not as as tangible habit, but it's so important is to really focus on how much you're saying I versus we. So people will say, well, I feel this way and I think it should be this way and I wish you would do it like this and it's so much me and you separation as opposed to, Hey, what would be best for us to do here? Well, how could we be better in this situation? How did we participate in this, you know, tension or disagreement and that identity, it's amazing how many couples we'll talk to married five, 10 years and they still think like two individuals. They, we always say there's YouTube as individuals and then there's a third entity called your marriage and you have to ask yourself, am I being in service of this marriage and am I showing up in service of this marriage? How did I participate in, you know, this disconnection in our marriage? And really thinking is that unified we, and that shows up in your actions and your, and what you're saying, how you're responding to your partner. That's really important.
Speaker 2:
28:34
What, what is it about marriage? Why do people not do those things? I mean, to me kind of stuff, right? People are in business meetings and, and a lot of what you, what you say I think is extremely relevant to businesses. We have a weekly accountability meetings. We have a rate the meeting at the end of the meeting, we say on a scale of zero to 10, how good was this meeting? How good was the communication? How good was this as kind of the same thing that you guys do? We don't have an intimacy component in that one, but, but, but uh, you know, it's, it's, it's the similar stuff, but you know, a lot of the times those can become monotonous. That can be, you know, people kind of dread the meeting sometimes, you know, it's like, Oh, we're going to do this again.
Speaker 2:
29:09
So how do you keep in marriage? How do you keep both partners kind of disciplined and committed and passionate about saying, Hey, this is good for us. It's just like going to the gym. You know, we got a check in and do that because otherwise wouldn't. People just kind of slowly deviate from each other and then you know that pressure cooker sort of example that you gave, you know with your friend who suddenly gets a phone call, Hey, we're getting divorced. What? You know, I had no idea. How do you prevent that from happening, happening and encouraging people to really stick to the framework that you've developed? Well,
Speaker 4:
29:40
I think if I can jump, a lot of people don't even know. One of the things we're really championing and trying to get the word out, you know, people know there's the wedding day and everybody's so excited about getting married and then there's counseling. Those are the two things people think of when they think of marriage, and so we're really out to grow the message more about relationship coaching and relationship. We taught, we say we teach relationship skills that know no one was, excuse me. No one was taught growing up. And so a lot of people just don't even know it exists. That's why I think a lot of, especially men are really relieved when they come to our couples workshop and they're like, this is awesome because this isn't about us sitting in a couch and saying this is what's wrong and this is where you, they're actually like, thanks for actually teaching us a skill like you taught us.
Speaker 4:
30:28
What does communication look like? And so a lot of people are just relieved even. No, I think that, to answer your question, a lot of people weren't taught any of this, so they wouldn't even know what habits to implement. So now, once they find us and find our programs in our courses, I think a big part is who you surround yourself with. Right? Right. What couples are you around? Do you meet, do you meet up with your girlfriend? And she just bashes on her husband. Do you meet up with the guy? And he's like, Oh, she needs to get in check. And you know, just talks to all the garbage. Right. And you're like, why?
Speaker 5:
30:59
Yeah, I was trying to place that voice that I wasn't sure.
Speaker 4:
31:02
No, I just was like, this is what a guy sounds like. But I think just really being conscientious of who you spend time with the couples, are they a good example, are they not? And that's how you can keep things in green community is so important.
Speaker 5:
31:15
Yeah. It just reminds me of seeing you yesterday. So just probably a lot of people on the podcast that know of the genius network since it's here in town. Also, we turned out to know like four people that were there, but while you sit in a room of people that you could say are, you know, doing bigger things, not necessarily the new, but are really creating by listening to the people in the room at the genius network, you're just, you kind of inspired. Yeah. And you're like, wow, I could really see the difference that that made. So just has you look for yourself like, Oh, where are the places that I would like to be even better? Right. And that's a Joe Weldon thing, right? Saying even even better. Yeah. Even down to someone playing golf kinda gets like, Oh, I like to be a better golfer, or I like to be able to lift more weight at the gym.
Speaker 5:
32:02
It just hasn't necessarily occurred to people because the resources that are not available to say, could I be a better spouse? How can I be better as pass? How can we have a better relationship because of the stigma we feel has been, if you have to say that, then it means there's something wrong. Right? So then you can feel kind of shameful. You don't want to say it. Maybe this is gonna do more damage to the relationship, but if you kind of let that go every other place in your whole life and business and golf, in your fitness, you're always looking to, how can I be better? And then when you're around people that are in that conversation, then you naturally say, Oh, I'd like to be better too. Yeah. You just to plug yourself in
Speaker 2:
32:40
to the right community, the right environment. And I completely agree with that. I mean, it's the same. It's the same with business, right? I mean, any time that you're not actively working on developing yourself, you're stagnating first and then you're really dying. You know, anytime that our businesses has stagnated, it's because we stopped doing that work. We stopped going to those seminars and I think it's a Zig Ziglar quote or something like that that, you know, motivation is, is kind of fleeting. That's why you need more of it every day. Just like showers and taking a bath. Right. You always are constantly connecting yourself and kind of filling up the gas tank with some more energy and that's what you guys are providing. Yeah.
Speaker 5:
33:19
There's another phrase actually where your attention goes, energy flows. Yeah. I like that one too. Yeah.
Speaker 4:
33:26
A lot of people, even what you said about being stagnant, people think that the goal in a relationship is to kind of get to this place and just kinda chill. Like let's not rock the boat. That's not the goal in our relationship. The goal is to keep creating. It's to, it's to learn, it's to experience all the dynamic things of life. You want to become a better person, be challenged in your relationship. And that's, I think, again, why some people struggle with being vulnerable and sharing about how they feel in the relationship because they don't want to rock the boat. That's not the game. The game of a relationship is not to avoid challenges, it's to embrace them, it's to learn, it's to grow. And you actually fall more in love when you go through a challenge together.
Speaker 2:
34:08
Right. And that makes sense to me. But do you think that more and more people are more of the taking mindset? I mean, they go into relationships thinking, how is this person gonna add value to my life? 100% from both directions. Both people are sitting at dinner going, I need this from that person, and they need that for me. And they're just kind of figuring it out. And then it's kind of like this battle where you're, you know, you're trying to get the upper hand and just like fill all the empty holes and voids in your life. You're going to use somebody to come and fill that hole.
Speaker 4:
34:35
Well and think about it. If you should have to a job like that, you'd get fired, right? We say we joke sometimes where like some of you need to be fired from your relationship because you're showing up just like on probation. Yes. [inaudible] saying that it is an extreme, but more so for the joke. I don't really mean fired your partner. Stay in the relationship. Okay. It is just, yeah, people need to think more of, wow, I want to be great at my job. I want to Excel, I want to get promoted. I want to be a great team member, but then they go home and chill. Oh, I can just sit back. You know, I've got the wife, I've got the, or I've got the husband. No, you got to keep showing up and no, it doesn't matter. If you're 15 years into marriage, you still need to be an asset to the relationship to the partnership.
Speaker 5:
35:19
Well, not sure if I'm, the audience will be used to this conversation, but their relationship is almost a macrocosm of the, the a microcosm of the macrocosm that is life because people are mostly looking for things outside of them, external for them to feel joy and happiness. It's really much more a spiritual conversation right? Slightly. If I try to fill a void, there's some void that I see is in myself with external things. I'm going to spend my whole life trying to do that so it's never going to be the case. You will eventually come to the point in your relationship where you realize you've been doing that same thing, that your partner can't fill that void in you and that's an impossible expectation for them to fill. So you do have to be doing that work and the relationship is very spiritual in that in that sense too that you have to be finding for yourself. How do I become happy? What fulfills me first and foremost. Now when I show up as a fully complete, happy, fulfilled individual in the relationship, now I'm going to be asking those questions more. So like, how can I help you? How can I support you? Yeah. And I'm not requiring anything from you. So it's a much calmer, peaceful, more creative place to be when you get yourself to that space first.
Speaker 2:
36:30
Yeah. And that kind of is why I think you guys have been so successful, right? Both of you are doing your personal development on your own and you're getting to a spot where you are comfortable with who you are. You didn't need the other person to fill this gaping void in your soul. You know, you just said, okay, and you know, it was a good, good time for both of you and you were comfortable enough and, um, confident enough to say, no, you're not breaking up with me. Sorry about that. That's not going to happen. And, and you know, a lot of people just aren't, aren't doing that type of work on themselves. And I don't know why that is. Maybe from, you know, popular culture or because they witnessed a bad relationship from their parents or they see other people who, I mean, I, most of my friends are married and not really happy.
Speaker 2:
37:15
Can we get their numbers? Well, yeah. That's why I'm so excited you're on the show because they should listen. I'm going to, when, when this goes live, I'm gonna just send it over. Hey, come to the couples workshop. Yeah. Hey, fix your business. You know, fix it. Because, but then they think that's normal because they're friends and like you kind of alluded to, you know, all the women will get together and they'll go in the kitchen or the bedroom or the backyard. All the guys who get together. You, my wife's nagging me too, you know, and kind of do that. The hemming and hawing thing about how miserable their relationships are, but when you step back and look at it, they're not actually doing any work. They're not making those effort to, to check in. They just buried their heads in their phones when they come home or put on the Netflix and just kind of let the relationship meander around and just kind of go where it goes based on its own volition. But they're not actually maneuvering those things around.
Speaker 4:
38:04
Yeah, the goal. Yeah. You can't just justify being lazy in the relationship and you know you can't justify just that things being mundane for, you know all my partner is in attempting intimacy as much. Well you want your partner to attempt to more intimacy. How's your communication, right? How your connection are you putting attention into the relationship. And I think it is giving everyone the benefit of the doubt. A lot of it is just because we don't know. Again, we don't have the great examples in movies. We didn't have great examples with our parents so a lot of people don't even, well what would putting an effort in the relationship look like? What besides counseling, what would working on our relationship look like besides counseling? Again, cause that's all people think as if we are going to work on a relationship. Does that mean we go to a counseling session? No. That's why we're even, we're really trying to coin and grow this term of relationship development because people who even go to personal development work on themselves still aren't necessarily bringing that into their relationship. And so more people need to learn about relationship.
Speaker 5:
39:05
Absolutely. Well, and if they're only doing personal relationship or personal development on their own, then they're going to go and take that back to their partner and it's going to sound like a foreign language to them. Or they may come out of a seminar and say, I'm all jacked up. I'm all jazzed up. Let's, you know, let's build our life together and the other person's going, who the heck are you? Where? Where did this come from? Yeah. We've even heard of some people that come back from like a three day seminar and they're so excited. They're ready to create something new and as soon as they walk in the door, the partner's really mad. You haven't been here for three days. I've had to clean up everything and immediately you kind of get back into what is your sort of real life, right. And you almost kind of lose.
Speaker 5:
39:47
That almost feels like you were on a balloon that got popped. Right. And you really have to start to create an environment for personal development to thrive. Because if you know your partner, if your family, if your friends, the people you spend the most time with are really not inflating that vision or supporting you or cheering you on, you know, it's hard to keep that vision. Yeah. Well tell me a little bit more about how you go about working with couples and coaches or coaching them through that. You know, I know you have a book, but what are the other things that you do to bring people in into the process and you know, help them develop?
Speaker 4:
40:24
Like what do we offer work look like? Well, so locally in Arizona, which is a lot of your audiences local. Yeah. Uh, we do a couples workshop just about every month. Um, so like one's coming up in November and it's a half day because really a lot of the audience that we serve as busy people will have a lot with their entrepreneurs. Like you, they, you know, have maybe children or just there's up to a lot. But we say no matter how busy you are, you can fit in a half day. It's a Sunday too. What are you going to do? It's before even the football games, you know, so like you can still go to the workshop and then do that in the evening. And so we have our couples workshops and we, our vision is to take those on tour. So building our audience in other cities and being able to go on tour and around the country because we love leading the couples workshops because one of the most powerful things in addition to the exercises we take them through is when they hear another couple say they're going through the same thing, all of a sudden they're like, Oh, it's not just us.
Speaker 4:
41:18
It's just like a relaxation. And they start to soften and then be open to learning and growing. So our workshops are incredible. And then we do private coaching with couples too on two, which is really interesting because a lot of people who either have a counselor or even there's a few relationship coaches that are one person, you don't often get the male and female perspective. And when they work with us, we can both see how both of their perspectives are valid and here's why. Here's why your partner felt this and here's why they felt this. But now here's the tool to implement so that both of your perspectives are implemented into that. So we do two on two coaching and anything else you want to add?
Speaker 5:
41:57
And a lot of times this is a new conversation for a couples. So we have our own podcast too, called empowered couples podcasts. Then we have, uh, on the go courses than we have a online relationship course that people can do self-paced in their home. So even if they're not ready to jump out and yet connect with other couples and have these levels of conversation in a live group or with us, it's really just starting to seed some of the ideas, the relationship principles in your own mind in the 20 minutes that you drive to work with a podcast or starting an on the go course, invite your partner into it. So there's a lot of ways we just want to start and to seed the conversation and seed some of the principals. Try one or two of them out in your life, in your relationship, see the impact that it makes and then you can invite your partner in. That may begin conversations with us, but just so long as couples are seeing that relationship skills are beneficial, not needed because something is wrong, but they get to choose because they want to be more on the same page, communicate more efficiently and just be happier together. Yeah. That was my next
Speaker 2:
43:02
question. It's kind of who is the target couple? Why? Who is the, is it a, is it a couple who's having some problems? Is it a couple who hasn't ever thought about these things or is it, you know, a couple of, like you said, entrepreneurs who, who just say, Hey, we need to put a system in place so that we connect and have our check in and kind of keep our energy up and we want to level up our relationship, you know? Or are you working with everybody in between? Cause I would imagine that some people would go, you know, I listened to those guys and I think our relationship's pretty good. Maybe we'll start talking once a month about know we'll check in and and all that stuff. And they don't think that that, that they're going to get any actual benefit out of going to a workshop.
Speaker 4:
43:39
Yeah, it's interesting. I would say it is pretty diverse. Like even our workshop we'll check in and a lot of people do say, Oh we're good. We just wanted new tools. So that's more of the personal development couple, the couple like us, we don't go to seminars because we're in crisis. We go to seminars to grow to just keep, like you said, motivation and so that they definitely come and then there are the couples that are like, we really don't know what to do here. You know, we aren't communicating, we're not getting past something. So it is really diverse. What I would say is cause even our courses attract different types of people. It just depends on like what level they're at. Like how open they are to working with us privately versus you know, we just want to do our own self paced thing.
Speaker 4:
44:17
Like just we can do it in the privacy of our own home. We don't want to have to talk to someone about it. So I would say it's really, it is diverse. I'd say in our marketing language and who we talk to is a busy, motivated couple, but that we still have sometimes couples that are like, I've never been to a seminar in my life. I have no, I don't, I've never even read a personal development book. Yeah. So it is interesting who team, I think they, I think why it is so diverse is because we're so authentic. Like even in our posts, we aren't just like, here's how our perfect weekend and we really say like, here's what we've learned, here's what's going on. And so that I think just attracts people from all walks of life.
Speaker 5:
44:57
Yeah. It's interesting. Do you think that that sort of the, there's power in the group of, of the workshops that you do because I would imagine that you, you do from time to time do get people who come in who are in crisis. Yeah. I mean there are people at, you know, all of the personal development things that I go to that spend their last dollar to get there because they need an answer. You know, they need that wake up moment, that breakthrough that's going to help them accomplish whatever they're trying to do. Um, but, but when you get, when you insert yourself into that environment, you do get that energy and sometimes you see things a little bit more clearly. And are those people coming to your events also? Yeah. The group is so powerful. Even if you're not ready to share, you might go to let's say, our workshop and think to yourself, well, we're not, we're not going to share with anybody, but we're glad we're here.
Speaker 5:
45:41
Yeah. As soon as you're there and you start to hear other couples share authentically, yeah. Those couples may not have even known what they came for exactly, but when they start to get clarity, when they start to have those breakthroughs, those aha moments, and then they share authentically because that's the space that you know, we create, they want to share. They realize, Oh my gosh, we're not alone. Our circumstances are, might be different. But fundamentally the challenges and the skills are pretty simple. I'm pretty basic that we all go through. So pretty fast. You, you feel the sense of being somewhere where people understand you, people know what you're going through and you realized, Oh man, all these years, every like people around me had been experiencing the same things. I thought it was just me. So as soon as you have that realization I feel in which we have seen in the workshop that couples want to share, they want to connect with each other too because it's like, wow, we now feel like we're a community of people that we can support each other.
Speaker 4:
46:39
I think one more thing I'd add too, as I was reflecting on what people say to us a lot of times, because there are could, the couples who are just quiet, they're like, they want that raise their hand and share and they just do the exercises we tell them to, which is fine, they can be private. They don't have to share what a lot of them say at the end was like, it was so helpful to have your immediate feedback because then people will even say, can you just like come to our kitchen and watch what happens to us when we're in the room together? And sometimes people say like we're, what's the term for someone who just like interrupt something right away? Just kind of pattern, but like their boot camp instructor like here's what you're doing wrong, you know, but in a soft way. So people really appreciate that we can be there and watch them do the interaction and say, okay, here's where you got off course. Here's where you weren't listening anymore. And they'd go, Oh, I wouldn't have known because I'm so in my own head, I'm so my reality
Speaker 5:
47:30
and having the emotion get triggered that you're not able to get any further. Right. So a lot of couples get stopped because something triggers them. They have a very standard response to that. So you don't ever get further beyond it. But at the workshop when you have someone there that can say, okay, great. You notice how when you get that triggered, do you feel that like in your throat or your stomach and you say the same thing? Well, okay, pause. Just notice that now let's go a little bit further. So they're like, Oh, we have this space where we've been able to take a conversation further than we've been able to if it was just us, because we get too emotionally triggered. We withdraw. Someone reacts. Yeah. How is, how is it different though than the standard coupling your couples counseling?
Speaker 4:
48:16
Yeah. Well see I love that question too. Cause so cause men will do, we've actually had so many people say after one session with us that they were like, we got more accomplished in this one session than two months of counseling every single week. So, and we are not at all bashing counseling. There's a time and a place and we know that there are amazing counselors out there who really do produce results. But for a lot of people, their experiences that they're sitting on a couch and they're just repeating the same thing over and over again. And they're one person saying, well here's my opinion. And the other person says theirs. And they often feel like the counselor isn't interrupting as much. And it's more like, so tell me more about that and more of a laid back just listening approach and what I think people appreciate about more of a coaching mentality, right?
Speaker 4:
49:02
Like, if you wanted to be a better basketball player, you're going to have a coach that says, turn your hand this way instead of this way. Hey, this is what you're doing with your foot. And we come in, we observe, and we definitely give them the space to share because people need to be heard and understood. But then we say, well, Hey, here's, here's where your partner wasn't able to understand that because the way you set it, and I will like I'll often mirror back to people how they said it and they'll go, Oh, I didn't know I said it that way. Like in their mind they think they're being nice. When I mirror back they're like, Oh that nice. It all just then, right? So we, we do a lot of interaction and mirroring and interrupt and we, uh, someone even said to us like, we have kind of a good cop, bad cop place sometimes.
Speaker 4:
49:46
Like we very much know how to play off each other's energy. So if Aaron is really connecting to them emotionally, I'll come in and more be like, Hey, here's where you said that as a jerk. You know, and people appreciate that we interrupt the pattern that's going on and give them immediate feedback while at the end we never end a session without them feeling empowered. Yeah. So we always make sure we come back to awesome, here's the progress you made, here's what you learned, here's what you learned and you're making PR like here you're on path. So people never leave going like they beat us up. Right? They're like, wow that we learned something new. Yeah.
Speaker 5:
50:23
I've never done couples counseling and I don't know what, you know, what happens in those rooms, but I sort of
Speaker 2:
50:29
envision, you know, the worst case scenario where you go in there and you sit there and both parties are kind of trying to persuade the counselor to come onto their side and they're really just digging themselves in and trenching themselves in their positions. And then, you know, leave with, with no real tools and no real progress being made. It's just kind of a good venting time, time to go out and just, it's kind of one way, where were you? What you guys are doing is a lot more interactive and they can see how other couples are dealing with it and kind of feel part of a team in a way. We're all working towards the same goals. And then you guys were leading the way by showing them this is what you get. You know, this, this is how you work and develop a good long lasting, fulfilling relationship.
Speaker 2:
51:11
What very well said. Well thank you. Yeah, it was well it, you know, and it's something too, I think that a good relationship is extremely powerful because it's the, it's the sum is greater than the parts, right? You both are strong individually, but if you can bring them together and uh, empower one another, you can be that much more than that. That was stronger. Yes. And uh, you guys are leading the way. So tell me about, you know, where, where can people connect with you? Cause you guys are doing so much stuff. You've got your book, you've got your seminars or your workshops that you host. You've got your podcast. Let's get people connected with you because there's a lot, like I told you about 90% of my friends could use your services. So, uh, so let's, let's throw some links out. What are the best places for people to reach you? Well, the first thing, well you know we brought a few books here for your future podcast guests. Yes. But we came to the realization we would just like this to be available to anyone and everyone. So we're actually now gifting that book away for free. And we just asked people pay shipping so they can go to the new power couple.com and get a free book.
Speaker 4:
52:19
Yeah. And we'll ship it to them. So that's definitely get the book. We'll ship that to you. And then our main website meet the freemans.com so you've met the Freemans virtually now, but so meet M, E E T the Freemans is where our university is. That's where a self paced courses are that you can do. We even have a lot that's built for on the go because again, we serve busy people so they can even listen while exercising on a walk on the way to work. And then we have our coaching information on there in our couples workshops. That's really the hub even links to our podcast. So it really, for those of you listening, whichever pace you're at, you know, if you feel like you want to listen first to a podcast or you want to do an self-paced course or you feel ready to come in person and come to a workshop socializing. I like how you say that. Oh yes. Well we're super social people too. And so if you are Instagram people and not everyone is a, we're on meet underscore the Freemans were super social on there. We actually answer a lot of relationship questions on there. And so we provide a lot of feedback. People will message me, Hey, this just happened last night. And we offer them as much as we can with voice memos and then, and then we'll say, and if you'd like more, you know, just in here's some additional to,
Speaker 2:
53:26
that's cool that you do that. So it's kind of interactive. People will throw their questions and you'll get back [inaudible]
Speaker 4:
53:30
Oh yeah. I mean I think that's something just quick side note we took away from Gary V I'm sure you, yeah. He's so of service to people and he will answer questions and that's the model we want to have is we will answer as much as we can in your messages, your direct messages, your emails, and then there's a time and a place where it's like, we need to actually talk to you both through this, but we want to be of service.
Speaker 2:
53:51
Yeah. And your Instagram is super fun actually. Yeah. I mean, I see you guys, you know, at the gym and things and uh, it's, you know, your headphones in, just grinding away, going from, you know, doing, doing what you're there to do. And then, and then we connected. And I hopped on your Instagram and I'm like, these two guys are goofballs. Like you guys are like that. There was one video, the first one that I saw, like you're bouncing around or something like that. And it was super fun. But it's great because it is, you guys are very genuine. You're very authentic about it. And you know, the question that I asked kind of, you know, is this real? I mean it's, it's genuine. It's really, it's a real thing. And I love the framework that you guys are doing. I love, I love everything that you're doing and I've been so excited that you've been here. So let me recap where to find you. You've got meet the freemans.com that's kind of the main hub. That's your main website. So go there. Uh, you can email, you can send an email to connect@newpowercouples.com Instagram meet, underscore the Freemans, get a book, get a podcast, sign up for a webinar and level up your relationship. Anything else?
Speaker 4:
54:52
No, just, it's so great to be here with you and it's awesome what you're doing and love. The, the value you're adding to people. And anyone who's listening, I just want to say that no matter how busy you are, cause I know that high achieving people listened to your podcast, no matter how busy you are, no matter where you're at in your relationship, you can always fit in time for growing together and to just make that a priority.
Speaker 2:
55:13
Yeah. And it, and it makes everything else better. Yes. Yeah. So connect with, meet the Freemans, Jocelyn Freeman, Aaron Freeman, really a pretty, you appreciated you both being on here. I had a ton of fun. I learned a lot. What have you. And again, yeah. Thanks for having us. Thanks guys.
Speaker 1:
55:29
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